[ Post removed. Unfortunately I had to delete this comment, created by a user who registered 1 hour ago, because it was too long and off topic and filled the whole screen. This area is about the game, it's not for rants. However, I pasted the comment here: http://pastebin.com/Q5LtRr7p. --Mauro Vanetti ]
I love this comment because we shouldn't have to «Deal with it» and yet people expect us to. Thank you Mauro i love this game and i think you should make a squeal (maybe about race) I am creating a English assignment about sexism currently and i found this inspiring.
Hey, really liked the game even if I don't 100 percent agree with what you say. Happy to see some diversity in game topics though! I hope you don't mind but I did a lets play of it!
Look at the current state of the US, Canada, UK, etc. Social justice has become a cancerous movement that is doing more harm now than good. There is no wage gap and just about every western country has achieved gender equality for women. In fact in STEM fields a woman with the same credentials as a man is twice as likely to be chosen simply because of her gender (look this up if you don't believe me) men are also at a similar disadvantage in the education system with a significantly higher percentage of women getting in to post secondary education institutions than males. So yes it is possible to have too much social justice, because calling it justice doesn't automatically make it so. Of course outside of western countries this game is perfectly relevant, but it is far from the truth in the majority of western countries.
Precisely by looking at the current state of the US and UK I find that there is an urgent need for more social justice. The only explanation for such an incredible statement as that there is too much social justice in those countries is that you have a very wrong definition of "social justice". Social justice means equality and solidarity and I have no idea how you can have too much equality or solidarity. I know that some ultraconservative people in the US use "social justice" to mean something else (i.e., their obsessions and straw men) but I'm not going to adapt my vocabulary to their wrong assumptions. Your conclusions about the gender gap are wrong, check the data I provided in this very page. The gender gap is more serious in some Third-World countries but it's still a huge problem in Western countries as well. You can cherry-pick small subsets of data with arbitrary preconditions to make your point but this is not going to change the fact that there is a gender gap in wages, employment, work time, career progression, etc. What is going to change it is the struggle of both male and female workers, united. (By the way, it's a little arrogant of you to come here and leave such a comment as if I had not researched thoroughly what I'm talking about and as if I had not read this kind of pseudo-arguments one hundred times already.)
Your first mistake is assuming that a movement will always stay true to its intended purpose. It is not impossible for an ideology to become corrupted and loose its original values. Have you ever took a hard look at and scrutinized the actions and current beliefs of the people spreading and endorsing these ideologies? I myself believe in equality regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation, or creed. I see people as people. However after seeing the changes and increasing hippocratic nature of these movements I've no longer endorsed them and have begun to oppose them. By definition social justice does mean what you think it does but the dictionary definition is a far cry from the current movement that can be observed in the US and many western nations today. Just as feminism, a once righteous movement has fed into a warped version of what it used to be. Interseciontal feminism, now the mainstream facet of feminism in the US/UK/AU, arguably causes as much inequality as it fights.
You are also mistaken by assuming "ultraconservative people" are the only ones against the bloated and deluded movement that is social justice. While it is not easy to prove, more and more people seem to be accepting and discussing the problem of PC culture going too far. Just look at what people like Christina Hoff Summers and Milo Yiannopolous are doing and the response that they've revived, while it is a mixed one they do have a fair amount of support. Also it would seem like overbearing nature of PC culture is partly to blame for the support that a man like Trump has gained, as part of the reason why some find him appealing is that he challenges this ideology. Now I would like to reiterate that the people who are against Social Justice (which has lead to PC culture being what it is today) are not against equality nor solidarity, they are against the ridiculous things that it has brought about. In the UK you can be arrested for voicing a dissenting opinion against immigration on twitter (I'm not against the immigration but these measures are ridiculous), waving a flag bearing the cross of saint George has been banned in several towns in England as people are worried some might find it offensive, in canada a man was nearly brought to court simply due to the fact that he attempted to voice his dissenting opinion to a feminist activist on facebook, the list goes on and on and if you want more examples I will provide them.
My problem with feminism is that even inter-sectional feminism seems to ignore or laugh off male problems. Of which there are many. Men have a far higher suicide rate, homeless men are far less likely to find a service that will provide for them, DV shelters almost exclusively take in females despite the fact that in western countries approximately one third of DV victims are men, in the prison system women are handed lighter sentences for the same crimes for no reason other than being women, in family court cases men are far less likely to receive any form of custody than a woman, in the US women are twice as likely to get admitted into post secondary education and any STEM field, and as before the list goes on. My greatest issue with intersectional/modern feminism is that they regard MRMs as rape apologists (MRMs sometimes protest the guilty until proven innocent approach in rape cases) and attempt to discredit such movements without stopping to realize that men face their own set of problems (this can be observed by looking into articles puplished by VICE, BBC, and organizations like BuzzFeed/MTV). As far as the wage gap goes... I know this is lazy but I'll leave you a link here explaining why it is false http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/harvard-prof.-takes-down-gender-wage-gap-myth/article/2580405 if you want to discuss it further I suppose I could find the more hard information that I came across when listening to Milo and CHS.
Look, I have nothing against you and you seem to be supporting these movements with good intentions but I simply ask you to be skeptical of even the things that you believe in. If you wish to discuss this further we could perhaps exchange information so we wont have to use this comment section. Also note that I very much dislike the idea of being misinformed and while it might sound pretentious or silly I researched these issues intensely before giving up on the ideologies that I had believed in. Let me know what you think, if you are planning on another rebuttle perhaps we could take this conversation elsewhere.
This little game is about working-class problems connected with gender. This is a comment area on a little game about sexism in job interviews. It's not a repository for rants against middle-class strands of feminism that I do not support, or lists of problems males have, or irrational theories about Trump being a consequence of people criticising offensive usage of language. Stay on topic please.
The only part of your comment I am interested in replying is the link. The link brings to a theory I have replied to uncountable times: the theory that it's all about choices, i.e. women choose career paths that make them earn less. This theory is not a refutation of the gender gap, it's just an attempt at simplifying its explanation by ignoring all other factors and blaming the victims. However, it leaves more questions unanswered: and why do women disproportionately choose those paths? The point is that there are systemic issues making women "choose" to earn less. Women who try and choose something different from the ordinary for themselves are going to face discrimination because they are not following the norm, which in turn strengthens the "preference" for the norm. It is a vicious circle.
PS: I had no idea who Milo Yiannopoulos was before two minutes ago. The fact that you are quoting a "professional troll" as your inspiration is telling enough.
After about 7,000 downloads from several websites and app stores, plenty of reviews and video reviews in many different languages, a bit of controversy, a third version of Two Interviewees is going to be released soon. The new version is going to include music, SFX and extra translations: Spanish (with distinct European and Latin American versions), Dutch, American English (it currently defaults to British English), Finnish and German. I'm looking for more volunteers to help in the translation effort and join the improvised team in a multilingual challenge against sexism! If you are perfectly fluent in a language based on the Latin alphabet and you wish to help, comment here and get on board.
I didn't know much about this game when I jumped in since I tend to try to blind run through all games that I have never played so other than reading a little bit of the description I jumped right in honestly expecting more of a puzzle game or just a choices style game. This game definitely had choices but I didn't realize just how much the choices I make would impact me and the game play. This game was absolutely amazing.
You have to click on "Download now", not on the individual downloads listed below. A dialog box will open, asking you for an optional donation, you can just skip it if you don't want to donate and then you have to pick the download that works for your environment: Windows, Linux, Mac or Android. I checked right now and it works.
Hi Mauro. My name is Laura, and I'm an English and French teacher from San Sebastian (Spain). I love the game, and I wish to thank you for your time, effort and brilliance. Would you want me to translate the game to Spanish? If so, contact me. Kindest regards.
This is really cool because yesterday I brought the game to an exhibition in Milan and a composer volunteered to write a soundtrack. I told him: «OK, let's make a version 1.2 with audio and another translation, Spanish maybe». Then another guy from Brazil volunteered for a Portuguese translation and I thought version 1.2 was about to be made with 4 languages and audio, but with your proposal version 1.2 will have 5 languages and audio! Send me an email please, I'm looking forward to do it.
Hello ! I loved your game and it's message ! I would like to help you promote it and raise awareness. I would like to translate your game from the English Version into French. Are you interested in that ? If it is the case, I'll give you my email adress so we can talk about it !
Do you want to see something impressive? I didn't know when I wrote the script but somebody tried to simulate in the real world exactly what Irene and Martin/Marzio do in Two Interviewees. It's in Italian but I guess anyone can understand pretty well what's going on. The opposite reactions to the last question about wages are precisely as in the game.
I earned 23.50 euros so far, which is amazing if you consider that the game is free and very short. I am already reinvesting all these funds in promoting the game through sponsored tweets and search engine ads. Thank you donors.
Thank you! The artist is my friend Emanuele Klemp who's just started to move his first steps in the gaming industry. I believe he has some real talent that can be put to good use in this sector.
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A really good topic to cover in a game. Here is my playthrough - https://youtu.be/WWrJTsoJ6_E
[ Post removed. Unfortunately I had to delete this comment, created by a user who registered 1 hour ago, because it was too long and off topic and filled the whole screen. This area is about the game, it's not for rants. However, I pasted the comment here: http://pastebin.com/Q5LtRr7p. --Mauro Vanetti ]
Ой лол, люди и женщины не равны от природы, смиритесь с этим :^)
Translation: «Oh LOL, men and women are not equal by nature, deal with it. :^) »
Comment: you are a sexist.
He's stating a fact. It's referred to as sexual dimorphism, idiot
«Deal with it» is not a fact: it's a suggestion to let physical differences trickle down on economic and social inequality.
I love this comment because we shouldn't have to «Deal with it» and yet people expect us to. Thank you Mauro i love this game and i think you should make a squeal (maybe about race) I am creating a English assignment about sexism currently and i found this inspiring.
Hey, really liked the game even if I don't 100 percent agree with what you say. Happy to see some diversity in game topics though! I hope you don't mind but I did a lets play of it!
I definitely don't mind! :-) Please post the let's play here.
Love it when indie games address topics like these in a creative way! https://youtu.be/5XeV9lZ3lWc
This guy started deleting review comments on Game Jolt, and I guess he felt the need to move to itch, and thought that nobody would notice.
Double lie:
It's a CONSPIRACY against mennnn 0_0
complete trash and it looks like it was made in ms paint. Save yourself the dollar you do not want to pay and watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r45eGIdqVXc&ab_channel=Tormental
Actually, the game is free.
You could try produce some fine arguments with your double class homo sapiens brain :D
What do you mean? Is it possible to have too much social justice?
Not in a world like this.
Look at the current state of the US, Canada, UK, etc. Social justice has become a cancerous movement that is doing more harm now than good. There is no wage gap and just about every western country has achieved gender equality for women. In fact in STEM fields a woman with the same credentials as a man is twice as likely to be chosen simply because of her gender (look this up if you don't believe me) men are also at a similar disadvantage in the education system with a significantly higher percentage of women getting in to post secondary education institutions than males. So yes it is possible to have too much social justice, because calling it justice doesn't automatically make it so. Of course outside of western countries this game is perfectly relevant, but it is far from the truth in the majority of western countries.
Precisely by looking at the current state of the US and UK I find that there is an urgent need for more social justice. The only explanation for such an incredible statement as that there is too much social justice in those countries is that you have a very wrong definition of "social justice". Social justice means equality and solidarity and I have no idea how you can have too much equality or solidarity.
I know that some ultraconservative people in the US use "social justice" to mean something else (i.e., their obsessions and straw men) but I'm not going to adapt my vocabulary to their wrong assumptions.
Your conclusions about the gender gap are wrong, check the data I provided in this very page. The gender gap is more serious in some Third-World countries but it's still a huge problem in Western countries as well. You can cherry-pick small subsets of data with arbitrary preconditions to make your point but this is not going to change the fact that there is a gender gap in wages, employment, work time, career progression, etc. What is going to change it is the struggle of both male and female workers, united.
(By the way, it's a little arrogant of you to come here and leave such a comment as if I had not researched thoroughly what I'm talking about and as if I had not read this kind of pseudo-arguments one hundred times already.)
Your first mistake is assuming that a movement will always stay true to its intended purpose. It is not impossible for an ideology to become corrupted and loose its original values. Have you ever took a hard look at and scrutinized the actions and current beliefs of the people spreading and endorsing these ideologies? I myself believe in equality regardless of gender, race, sexual orientation, or creed. I see people as people. However after seeing the changes and increasing hippocratic nature of these movements I've no longer endorsed them and have begun to oppose them. By definition social justice does mean what you think it does but the dictionary definition is a far cry from the current movement that can be observed in the US and many western nations today. Just as feminism, a once righteous movement has fed into a warped version of what it used to be. Interseciontal feminism, now the mainstream facet of feminism in the US/UK/AU, arguably causes as much inequality as it fights.
You are also mistaken by assuming "ultraconservative people" are the only ones against the bloated and deluded movement that is social justice. While it is not easy to prove, more and more people seem to be accepting and discussing the problem of PC culture going too far. Just look at what people like Christina Hoff Summers and Milo Yiannopolous are doing and the response that they've revived, while it is a mixed one they do have a fair amount of support. Also it would seem like overbearing nature of PC culture is partly to blame for the support that a man like Trump has gained, as part of the reason why some find him appealing is that he challenges this ideology. Now I would like to reiterate that the people who are against Social Justice (which has lead to PC culture being what it is today) are not against equality nor solidarity, they are against the ridiculous things that it has brought about. In the UK you can be arrested for voicing a dissenting opinion against immigration on twitter (I'm not against the immigration but these measures are ridiculous), waving a flag bearing the cross of saint George has been banned in several towns in England as people are worried some might find it offensive, in canada a man was nearly brought to court simply due to the fact that he attempted to voice his dissenting opinion to a feminist activist on facebook, the list goes on and on and if you want more examples I will provide them.
My problem with feminism is that even inter-sectional feminism seems to ignore or laugh off male problems. Of which there are many. Men have a far higher suicide rate, homeless men are far less likely to find a service that will provide for them, DV shelters almost exclusively take in females despite the fact that in western countries approximately one third of DV victims are men, in the prison system women are handed lighter sentences for the same crimes for no reason other than being women, in family court cases men are far less likely to receive any form of custody than a woman, in the US women are twice as likely to get admitted into post secondary education and any STEM field, and as before the list goes on. My greatest issue with intersectional/modern feminism is that they regard MRMs as rape apologists (MRMs sometimes protest the guilty until proven innocent approach in rape cases) and attempt to discredit such movements without stopping to realize that men face their own set of problems (this can be observed by looking into articles puplished by VICE, BBC, and organizations like BuzzFeed/MTV). As far as the wage gap goes... I know this is lazy but I'll leave you a link here explaining why it is false http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/harvard-prof.-takes-down-gender-wage-gap-myth/article/2580405 if you want to discuss it further I suppose I could find the more hard information that I came across when listening to Milo and CHS.
Look, I have nothing against you and you seem to be supporting these movements with good intentions but I simply ask you to be skeptical of even the things that you believe in. If you wish to discuss this further we could perhaps exchange information so we wont have to use this comment section. Also note that I very much dislike the idea of being misinformed and while it might sound pretentious or silly I researched these issues intensely before giving up on the ideologies that I had believed in. Let me know what you think, if you are planning on another rebuttle perhaps we could take this conversation elsewhere.
This little game is about working-class problems connected with gender. This is a comment area on a little game about sexism in job interviews. It's not a repository for rants against middle-class strands of feminism that I do not support, or lists of problems males have, or irrational theories about Trump being a consequence of people criticising offensive usage of language. Stay on topic please.
The only part of your comment I am interested in replying is the link. The link brings to a theory I have replied to uncountable times: the theory that it's all about choices, i.e. women choose career paths that make them earn less. This theory is not a refutation of the gender gap, it's just an attempt at simplifying its explanation by ignoring all other factors and blaming the victims. However, it leaves more questions unanswered: and why do women disproportionately choose those paths? The point is that there are systemic issues making women "choose" to earn less. Women who try and choose something different from the ordinary for themselves are going to face discrimination because they are not following the norm, which in turn strengthens the "preference" for the norm. It is a vicious circle.
PS: I had no idea who Milo Yiannopoulos was before two minutes ago. The fact that you are quoting a "professional troll" as your inspiration is telling enough.
Great game :) I'm just wondering if it's actually possible for the girl to get a job? I tried a good few times but I couldn't manage it.
I won't answer. :-)
Haha okay :P
Hi! Can i make a Portuguese translate?
Oh yes! Send me an email please: posta@maurovanetti.info
Obrigado!
After about 7,000 downloads from several websites and app stores, plenty of reviews and video reviews in many different languages, a bit of controversy, a third version of Two Interviewees is going to be released soon.
The new version is going to include music, SFX and extra translations: Spanish (with distinct European and Latin American versions), Dutch, American English (it currently defaults to British English), Finnish and German.
I'm looking for more volunteers to help in the translation effort and join the improvised team in a multilingual challenge against sexism! If you are perfectly fluent in a language based on the Latin alphabet and you wish to help, comment here and get on board.
Very good game and really proves a point! I enjoyed it a lot and hope other people play it themselves. I did a gameplay about it if anyone would like to check it out! Two Interviewees Gameplay | WE GOT THAT JOB KINDA - YouTube
Loved this game a lot, loved what it dealt with, loved the facts in the end!
I didn't know much about this game when I jumped in since I tend to try to blind run through all games that I have never played so other than reading a little bit of the description I jumped right in honestly expecting more of a puzzle game or just a choices style game. This game definitely had choices but I didn't realize just how much the choices I make would impact me and the game play. This game was absolutely amazing.
I did a lets play if anyone at all is curious!
it won't let me download the game
You have to click on "Download now", not on the individual downloads listed below. A dialog box will open, asking you for an optional donation, you can just skip it if you don't want to donate and then you have to pick the download that works for your environment: Windows, Linux, Mac or Android. I checked right now and it works.
Hi Mauro. My name is Laura, and I'm an English and French teacher from San Sebastian (Spain). I love the game, and I wish to thank you for your time, effort and brilliance. Would you want me to translate the game to Spanish? If so, contact me. Kindest regards.
This is really cool because yesterday I brought the game to an exhibition in Milan and a composer volunteered to write a soundtrack. I told him: «OK, let's make a version 1.2 with audio and another translation, Spanish maybe». Then another guy from Brazil volunteered for a Portuguese translation and I thought version 1.2 was about to be made with 4 languages and audio, but with your proposal version 1.2 will have 5 languages and audio! Send me an email please, I'm looking forward to do it.
That's perfect. What's your email address?
Oops. Good point. :)
posta at maurovanetti dot info
Hello ! I loved your game and it's message ! I would like to help you promote it and raise awareness. I would like to translate your game from the English Version into French. Are you interested in that ? If it is the case, I'll give you my email adress so we can talk about it !
It's going to happen. :-) Cool.
Do you want to see something impressive? I didn't know when I wrote the script but somebody tried to simulate in the real world exactly what Irene and Martin/Marzio do in Two Interviewees. It's in Italian but I guess anyone can understand pretty well what's going on. The opposite reactions to the last question about wages are precisely as in the game.
Check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbQXJeH9UMI
I earned 23.50 euros so far, which is amazing if you consider that the game is free and very short. I am already reinvesting all these funds in promoting the game through sponsored tweets and search engine ads. Thank you donors.
It's over 50 euros now. I'm keeping on reinvesting the earnings in advertising.
This is very nice for a day's work! It would be interesting to see an expanded version with branches and more complexity and nuance.
I am a college tutor, working with students on issues like equality and employability. I'm planning to use your game in class - I hope that's ok!
It's much more than OK: it's what I hoped for. :-)
i like the art style.
Thank you! The artist is my friend Emanuele Klemp who's just started to move his first steps in the gaming industry. I believe he has some real talent that can be put to good use in this sector.